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A Shenandoah Stopover.

Posted by Big John on August 19, 2017

Here is a photo of a statue of some American Civil War ‘hero’….

It was taken by me, when, back in the 1980’s my wife and I visited some friends in Pennsylvania and decided to take a trip further south, first visiting Gettysburg …

… before journeying on into …

… I only mention this as it now seems that some Americans wish to change history by removing or destroying similar statues of soldiers of the Confederacy. We have had this sort of protest about our colonial past here in the UK, and what this achieves ? … I have no idea !

Mostly what I recall from our trip through …

… that part of the U.S.A. were friendly people who seemed to show great respect for the memory of those who fought and died in that terrible conflict. There appeared to be very little commercialism relating to the Civil War. In fact it was hard to locate a souvenir of any kind, apart from the ubiquitous Confederate flag, which I believe has also ‘fallen into disrepute’.

My final picture is not very clear, but it shows part of a motel in which we stayed near Front Royal when visiting the Blue Ridge Mountains. It was called ‘The Lee Jackson Motor Hotel’ and you can just about read that name on the restaurant building in the background (click on image).

Now it could just be that the motel was named after some local ‘good ‘ole boy’ named Lee Jackson, and not after ‘Robert E’ and old ‘Stonewall’, but I doubt it. Which makes me wonder …

… Is it still there ?

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12 Responses to “A Shenandoah Stopover.”

  1. I don’t believe many, if any, Americans want to change history. They simply want to stop honoring those who supported slavery. Flying a confederate battle flag is seen as insulting by many minority citizens, and also some veterans no matter what their race.

  2. Judith J Miller said

    It is the Liberals who want the statues taken down and the Confederate flag removed. Actually, the US Civil War was started over States Rights and the ability of the Southern planters to grow large plantations of Cotton, their only real viable financial crop. British ship owners and sea captains helped them acquire workers for those plantations via Africa, where African tribes were more than willing to sell their own people and make a few coins of their own. The ships sailed into ports along the south-eastern seaboard and the workers were sold to a “worker administrator” for a few more coins for the ship owners. The worker administrator sold the workers to the plantation owners for a few more coins to line his pocket. The question of slavery didn’t come into the Civil War until it was underway. The plantation owners were Liberals or what then were called Democrats. Most of the Southern Generals and Jefferson Davis, were Democrats. Now the Democrats want these reminders destroyed.
    By the way–Abraham Lincoln and Robert E. Lee were good friends. When the unrest first started, Lincoln asked Lee to head his Northern forces. That meant Lee, a Virginian would have had to fight in Virginia, which of course he could not do.
    This is part of our history and I think we should leave it well alone!

  3. Betty Adams said

    After the Civil War, Robert E. Lee was going to be tried for treason, until General Grant convinced Andrew Johnson (the President after Lincoln was assassinated) to let Lee go. Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves, which meant the plantation owners wouldn’t have any slaves to pick the cotton, unless they were paid for their work. Taking down the statues is more about the fact that the South went to war against its own country and lost. Many of the statues being taken down will go to museums and Confederate Cemeteries, which seems more appropriate than having them on courthouse squares.

  4. Big John said

    Dick, Judith and Betty … Thank you for your informative comments. As Judith says .. “This is part of our history and I think we should leave it well alone!” .. The same is true about The British Empire ! .. I can understand the display of the flag being seen as an insult; but as far as the display of flags is concerned, I have to wonder how the Native Americans feel about the Stars and Stripes ?

  5. rummuser said

    I refer you to my blog post http://rummuser.com/salisbury-park-pune/ . What I have not stated there is that the idea for the blog came from a resident of the Salisbury Park who would rather change the name of the area to reflect current likes and dislikes. I would also refer you to the subsequent post http://rummuser.com/reverse-colonisation/ . A lighter hearted approach to colonisation.

  6. Judith J Miller said

    There is a large National Monument in Montana, at the site of the Battle of Little Big Horn. Sitting Bull and his warriors completely obliterated General Custer and his army there. That too is part of our history. I just hope some idiots don’t get the crazy notion that site should be erased because it might offend some whites. In my opinion, our Native Americans have been treated the worse of all our citizens.

  7. Judith: Numerous documents show confederate leaders stating that the war was started to uphold slavery, not states rights. The states rights fabrication has served far too long as a justification for slavery and the racism that continues to this day. I’ve been around some 80 years and have yet to hear of a white person who is offended by the Big Horn site.

  8. Judith J Miller said

    The Big Horn site was more of a sarcastic remark by me. It just seems people are going crazy over all of this. I heard on news tonight, there is a group in Detroit (Michigan) that are demanding a bust statue of Christopher Columbus be removed because he was a white supremacist. (?)

  9. Big John said

    Enjoyed your posts Ramana. I bet that there are still a few statues of Queen Victoria in India, even if they have been ‘knocked about a bit’.

  10. ginnie said

    I wish I’d known you when you & your wife visited the Blue Ridge Mountains. I live very near there in North Carolina. I have many black friends that I’ve come to know through Alcoholics Anonymous and we tend to open up to each other more than in “normal” conversations. The feeling I get is one of frustration. It’s not necessarily that they want to do away with the monuments but, at the very least they want to be head.

  11. joared said

    I don’t think there is an intent to erase our U.S. history from memory. I do believe there is a desire that facts are put into perspective. I’ve thought for too long the language of the Civil War having been fought simply for states rights has been misleading and has served to mask the truth. States rights and slavery were intertwined from either a racist or economic perspective and, probably, both for most. When that fact is recognized the possible disposition of any statues could be more intelligently considered.

  12. Big John said

    Good points Ginnie and Joared, Thanks. The latest demand in the UK is that the world famous statue of Horatio Nelson should be removed from London’s Trafalgar Square because he is said to have made some vague statement about slavery in the British West Indies, in spite of the fact that he showed respect for his men including the many black sailors serving in the British Navy at that time (one is depicted on his memorial) and this was at time (early 1800’s) when sailors were flogged, press ganged into service and hanged for being homosexual.
    “The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there” … L.P. Hartley

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